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While Mr. A was away this week, I decided to watch all three LotR films on consecutive days. (Watched the EE versions of the first two.)



I've found it works best to think of the EEs as containing two films each - it helps me make more sense particularly of the construction of the narrative and the pacing. Although they are obviously constructed to work as single films - the bookending in TTT of the shot of Frodo with his knife to Gollum's throat at the start, and to Sam's throat at the end being an obvious example.

The Fellowship of the Ring: Superb. That's all I have to say about that. A brilliant adaptation, pacing is great, visuals are stunning, and I still cry buckets for the last heart-breaking half hour.

The Two Towers: I stand by my belief that the cinema cut is a better standalone film. However, I will say that I enjoyed the first half of TTT enormously this time round - everything had a lot more time to move, the pacing seemed graceful and thoughtful this time round. I think my repeated mistake is in trying to watch this film all the way through on a single night, because I finish the first disc and think, "Christ, there's still Helm's Bloody Deep to get through yet..." I also think that there are a couple of quite dodgy bits in this half. The Fell Soup Scene should have hit the cutting room floor - it only detracts from the visual comparisons being made between Arwen and Eowyn, and it sucks. I think some of the dialogue in the Denethor-Boromir-Faramir scene sucks ("Elrond of Rivendell has called a meeting...") and wish I had had just a minute with the script. I'm not going to try watching it in one night again, I think.

The Return of the King: For a change, I went to see this in the local arts cinema rather than in the benighted hell that is the Warners cinema. I was hoping for a better behaved audience, and certainly some quiet (given I was there for an afternoon showing), but was sadly mistaken. Two blokes in front of me talked (not whispered) throughout, and there was much muttering elsewhere. It could just be me, however. Despite the woman behind me saying loudly at one point, "There's going to be a great big spider in a minute, isn't there?", the man next to me still convulsed wildly with surprise when Shelob appeared on screen. But I still wish people would just belt up and watch the fucking film. This ain't your goddam living room.

I really need to get out more.

Anyway. It's difficult to compare RotK as yet with the other two, given that it's not yet the EE. But I rate this film enormously. I did quail a little at one point thinking of the multiple endings that were yet to come, but once I got past that, and just watched them, they did the trick perfectly. Part of the frustration is, of course, that in fact I want more (*coughs* faramir-and-eowyn *cough*), and so they don't entirely satisfy as they stand. Never mind, there's still a DVD to come. Two more films to come, as far as I'm concerned. For which, hurrah!




I turn thirty-two this week, and will spend at least part of my birthday in the cinema. I don't know what to see. You decide!

[Poll #231948]

Date: 2004-01-12 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seemag.livejournal.com
Happy pre-birthday, Una! Hope you have a totally indulgent day.

We must be sorta twins: I turn 28 sometime this week...

Date: 2004-01-12 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
My birthday's tomorrow - I remember yours being around this time too! Happy pre-birthday to you too!

Date: 2004-01-12 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitterboy1.livejournal.com
Coo, my very own poll option! But really, don't worry about them: whenever you get chance to watch them. Just think how long I had your Richard III - I think you forgot at least once that you even owned it... :-)

So I've answered 'Cold Mountain', because I want to see it myself, and I'll be interested to hear what you think. But hey, it's your birthday - you go and see what you want. But perhaps Mr A should ensure that there are no blunt instruments within your reach.

Date: 2004-01-12 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Peter Pan seems to be edging ahead at the moment - and I'm not sure whether 'Cold Mountain' would make me too sad on my birthday. I'm not going to brave the Arts again - clientele is clearly not up to much!

Date: 2004-01-12 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitterboy1.livejournal.com
too sad on my birthday

You're right, sorry - bad idea. I hope 'Peter Pan' is good!

Shame about the audience at the Arts the other day. They're doubtless fine for more out-of-the-way stuff, but there probably isn't much between them and the Warner on the mainstream films. Hmmph.

Date: 2004-01-12 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Hmmph - my feelings exactly. Ooh, I nearly lost my rag!

Date: 2004-01-12 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kendokamel.livejournal.com
I vote for Peter Pan, as he's the international representative for refusing to grow up.

Come! Let's run amok!!!!

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

Date: 2004-01-12 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I'm with you there!

Yee HAH!

Date: 2004-01-12 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
Happy Birthday next week! Go you!

I suggest Peter Pan, Cold Mountain sounds too depressing for a birthday-related celebration.

Date: 2004-01-12 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I'm coming to that thought too (and the poll is leaning that way) - although Peter Pan is a bit depressing too. Hm, maybe that's just my head... ;-D

Date: 2004-01-12 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-seasalt15.livejournal.com
I would go see Cold Mountain. If only because they still don´t show it here!

Date: 2004-01-12 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-seasalt15.livejournal.com
Oi. Where is my head.
AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Date: 2004-01-12 10:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2004-01-12 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I'm wondering how long it's going to stay on. Hopefully it'll still be on at the weekend (looks like I'll see Peter Pan tomorrow).

Date: 2004-01-12 02:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kathyh
I'm about to start on my own marathon viewing of LOTR, though I'm not quite going to be able to manage it on consecutive days.

I think some of the dialogue in the Denethor-Boromir-Faramir scene sucks ("Elrond of Rivendell has called a meeting...") and wish I had had just a minute with the script.

I wish you had too. I loved the scene but hated that line with a passion; it's wrong on so many levels that I nearly posted a huge rant in my LJ about it. If it irritates me as much this time around I still might.

Have a great birthday. I haven't seen Cold Mountain yet, but that's the one I'd probably choose. It's had mixed reviews but the trailer looked good. On the other hand you could just go and see ROTK again *g*.

Date: 2004-01-12 02:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] trixieleitz
Suckiness of dialogue aside, I really do think the D-B-F scene should have been in the cinema cut. It made a huge difference to how I perceived movie-Faramir. I should set up a macro to type that automatically.

This ain't your goddam living room.

Damn straight.

It's been my impression that the arts cinema tends to attract a better-behaved audience than the McCinema, but that may be more of a condemnation of the latter than anything else :/ Audiences, the death of cinema.

I turn thirty-two this week

Aargh, aaargh, parental wedding anniversary and I haven't got them a card yet, aaaargh!

Oh, and hope your birthday is a good'un ;) Go and see RotK again, you know you want to. How many times is it now?

Date: 2004-01-12 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I wish it the D-B-F scene had made the cut too (and certainly the bit where he sees the boat). The dialogue only needs a bit of a tweak, that's what's so annoying about it.

Five times for RotK now. I think... I may have lost count. I *think* it's five!

Eek, hope you get the anniversary card sorted out!

Date: 2004-01-12 11:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] trixieleitz
I wish the D-B-F scene had made the cut too

Ah, well, we have the EE now. You can always mute the sound for the clunky bits :)

Eek, hope you get the anniversary card sorted out!

It's the same day as your b'day. So there will be no card on time for the event this year. Oh, well, I'll congratulate them in email, and send a card for later.

I don't know why I don't shop for an anni. card when I'm getting the Christmas cards. I always get caught by surprise by the anniversary thing, in the whole post-holiday breath-catching business.

Date: 2004-01-13 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I always forgot to send my sister's birthday card (27th Dec).

Have a great birthday!

Date: 2004-01-12 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
As for the film, one the one hand I'm curious to learn what you make of Peter Pan, given that the people on my friends' list have so wildly differing opinions about it, otoh - go see RotK again! *g*

Re: Have a great birthday!

Date: 2004-01-12 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Thank you! I'm leaning towards Peter Pan at the moment on the grounds of it being (possibly) less depressing than Cold Mountain, and that I'm *bound* to see RotK again anyway!

Re: Have a great birthday!

Date: 2004-01-12 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ithilwen.livejournal.com
Having seen both, I can assure you Peter Pan is far less depressing than Cold Mountain. Peter Pan left me feeling wistful and a bit melancholy; Cold Mountain left me too emotionally shattered to feel much of anything. A great movie, mind you, but if you want to feel happy when you leave the theater, it's the wrong choice.

Re: Have a great birthday!

Date: 2004-01-13 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Hm, yes - wistful sounds much more what I'm going for, especially over shattered!
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Date: 2004-01-13 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Thanks for the tip on the commentary - I haven't been able to listen to the cast commentary because Sean Astin is bloody annoying. I played it this morning. John Noble always impresses me when he talks about Denethor; as you say, high hopes for the RotK EE. I'm longing to see more of his performance, we just don't get enough.

Date: 2004-01-12 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katlinel.livejournal.com
Happy birthday for later. Wishing you much birthday goodness.

I voted for PP as being silly, whimsical, and I've just read some fascinating stuff about Barrie in that Lurie book. And, you'll go and see RotK again v. soon anyway.



Date: 2004-01-12 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Thanks for the birthday wishes :-D

I think it will be Peter Pan. The trailers looked brilliant. And I suspect I will manage a few more viewings of RotK before it goes...

Date: 2004-01-12 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-wild-iris.livejournal.com
Happy birthday for later in the week! I hope your film choice is a good one.

Ah, Elrond of Rivendell has called a meeting...

I find that the suckiness of that line depends on how you imagine its backstory whilst watching. Having a mental picture of Elrond sending out invitations to his secret council meeting is definitely sucky. But then I got the idea of Denethor having Seen what was going on chez Elrond. The line's much palatable that way (despite the power of Vilya probably making it impossible!) :)

Date: 2004-01-12 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ithilwen.livejournal.com
Having a mental picture of Elrond sending out invitations to his secret council meeting is definitely sucky.

Dear Steward of Gondor,

I cordially invite you to attend my Fate of the Free World Secret Council Session, to be held this coming fall in Imladris. Dress is casual; although travel-stained garments are acceptable, guests MUST bathe and comb their hair before appearing. Following the Council Meeting, a free poetry-reading session and sing-along will be held in the Hall of Fire. I do hope you will be able to attend this special one-time event!

RSVP

Elrond Half-Elven,
Lord of Imladris



Date: 2004-01-13 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] espresso-addict.livejournal.com
Horses (even the mearas variety) should be left in the stables where a range of fodder will be provided. All side-kicks, particularly those under 3 foot six in height, should be firmly left at home, or at least locked in their accommodation/chained to the bed.

Date: 2004-01-13 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-wild-iris.livejournal.com
Please do not add anything to the agenda or attempt to table motions about Using It Against Him. For security reasons, no camcorders, picture phones or Black Speech. Bags and pocketses may be searched on leaving the building.

Date: 2004-01-13 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Note: You attend this session at your own risk. Peredhil Enterprises Inc. (a subsidiary of the Three Rings Corporation) cannot be held responsible for loss or damage to any property, including heirlooms such as swords and horns, or loss or damage to persons, including first born sons. Thank you for visiting Imladris and we hope your stay is a pleasant one.

Date: 2004-01-13 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thrihyrne.livejournal.com
Please note: All smoking of pipeweed is to take place outside of the dining areas. Thank you for your cooperation of keeping The Last Lonely House a smoke-free environment.

Date: 2004-01-13 04:50 pm (UTC)

Date: 2004-01-13 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Oh thank you, yes, that's a much better way of reading it. Good, I can put that interpretation on top now.

Date: 2004-01-13 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] espresso-addict.livejournal.com
Not seen either, as OH wasn't feeling like going out this w/e, but 'Peter Pan' seems the more celebratory bet. Or is 'Lost in Translation' on in your neck of the woods -- it's got very good reviews, but it hasn't reached Stoke yet :(

And happy birthday, by the way!

Date: 2004-01-13 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
'Lost in Translation' is on at the Arts, but is also on next week. I think I'm going to try and catch 'Peter Pan' before it goes, but thank you for the recommendation - I like Bill Murray. (Was just rewatching 'The Royal Tanenbaums - *excellent* film.)

skip all three and the DVDs and...

Date: 2004-01-13 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lhun-dweller.livejournal.com
...check out "The Triplets of Belleville." Probably at an "art film" place or other quirky venue, despite winning at Cannes. It's a really amazing animated film. Not animé, but animation done like it was when I was a kid, with a sort of loose-jointedness and physics-violating doings that somehow all are perfectly reasonable in the film world. I won't tell the story because part of what really impressed me is how the entire tale unfolds without narration or comprehensible dialog. It gets funnier and funnier as the mystery-drama-action unfolds. And a little old lady and her dog and three other old ladies are the hero(ine)s. Go see it - I went unprepared to enjoy much and had a ball. And have a happy birthday, too!

Re: skip all three and the DVDs and...

Date: 2004-01-13 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Ooh, that sounds interesting. It's not on at our Arts cinema today, but if it was a winner at Cannes it's bound to appear (if I haven't missed it). Thanks for the rec (and the birthday wishes!).

Re: skip all three and the DVDs and...

Date: 2004-01-13 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] communicator.livejournal.com
It's called 'Belleville Rendezvous' on release here I think. It was on TV on Christmas Day, and was pretty cool.

Re: skip all three and the DVDs and...

Date: 2004-01-13 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Thanks, GC; I'll look out for it on the movie channels.

Date: 2004-01-13 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matildabj.livejournal.com
But I still wish people would just belt up and watch the fucking film. This ain't your goddam living room.

Oh, amen to that.

I'm amazed there were talkers there at a matinee. That makes me very sad. I usually frequent midweek matinees in order to get away from the chatty types. *sigh*

Date: 2004-01-13 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I was surprised too. Some of the audience was quite elderly, it might have been a hard-of-hearing thing going on. Which makes me a grumpy and bad-mannered person, doesn't it? But the chief offenders looked only a little older than me. In which case, why weren't they at work?!? *g*

Date: 2004-01-13 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thrihyrne.livejournal.com
NO WAY is your birthday today! Happy birthday, dear Altariel! You are the third addition to my calendar of people celebrating birthdays today, and... fellow Capricorns, as I turn 34 on Thursday. Woot!!

*does celebratory birthday dance*

Enjoy some champagne, and see Peter Pan and RotK. C'mon, you know you want to... ;) Heck, maybe *that's* what I'll do for my birthday! I hadn't figured out what to do, besides perhaps go rollerskating, trying to relive my 1980's youth.

Date: 2004-01-13 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
YAY! Go Capricorns! And a happy birthday to you for Thursday!

I went for Peter Pan in the end, and we'll be drinking later. My other half got back yesterday from a week away in the US, which was a good birthday present in itself :-D

Date: 2004-01-13 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thrihyrne.livejournal.com
YAY! Go Capricorns! And a happy birthday to you for Thursday!

Thanks! I have now figured out how to at least change colors and font sizes, so you're being lauded over at my LJ. *giggle*

Yeah, I'm thinking that I haven't had a whiskey sour in a long time. Perhaps a good birthday beverage instead of champagne.

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