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Destiny of the Daleks
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I have very strong memories of this story.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Me too.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I think it's... well, it's fine, isn't it? A better version of Genesis.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Better because shorter. Not quite as well executed. Good cliffhangers.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: And the most diverse casting of any story so far. I feel I should be more enthusiastic, but, you know, it's a four-part Dalek story. Which comedy costume does Romana have in this one?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Princess Astra, you mean?
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: No, Romana regenerated...
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: What? Romana regenerated? I thought she'd left!!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: This is going to be a long season.

City of Death
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Well, what can you say? It's lovely.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: You can say that. And you'd be right.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Look, there's Eleanor Bron!
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Yum.

The Creature from the Pit
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: This was great. This was just great.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: See, I told you I wasn't mad!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: It was the costumes. The design. The hats. The wolf weeds.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: The giant plastic bag monster! And it passes the Bechdel test.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I'm sorry Adrasta doesn't get away with it. I think we're seeing propaganda from the Chloris Metal Megacorp PR department. All the bitching about big government is amazing in these last couple of seasons.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: It's almost like 1978 was rubbish.

Nightmare of Eden
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Oh, now, this was quite interesting! You can see a direct line from it to The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit. That's what the future looks like. Yellow, but a bit grubby.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: The mystery aspect of the plot is a bit botched in the edit. But David Daker holds it together in the first episode despite that.

The Horns of Nimon
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Oh holy Christ. Poor Lalla Ward. She's giving it everything. I think she earned her fee.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: She is quite good at the vehement angry stuff. I quite like this.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: The Nimon are wearing platform boots.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: And velour figure-hugging tops!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I blame Marc Bolan. Go on, you were quite liking it. Continue.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Not much actually happens, and what does happen is rather spoiled by Graham Crowden, who always does this boggle-eyed pantomime loon thing. Which worked in A Very Peculiar Practice, but it is shite in everything else.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Fighting talk.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Only if Graham's mum is in the room!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Didn't want to mention it, but...
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Hello Mrs Crowden!

Shada
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Now I think this benefits from not having been completed. I think we have all the good stuff, and none of the padding. And the good stuff is great: Dennis Carey...
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: CHRISTOPHER NEAME! IT'S CHRISTOPHER NEAME!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I was getting to that. Christopher Neame, Cambridge locations, daft jokes. The only thing that makes me want to kill is the barber shop bunch.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Death is too good for them. Unless any of them have actually died by now, in which case, their loved ones have my deepest sympathies.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Good save. I don't think anyone noticed, like that time we were accidentally mean about Barry Letts.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I thought we weren't going to mention that again.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Shall we just say then how sad we are every time we see a picture of Douglas Adams?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Yes. Happysad, though.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel and [livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Thank you, Douglas xx


Ranking
City of Death
The Creature from the Pit
Nightmare of Eden
Shada
Destiny of the Daleks
The Horns of Nimon

[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Well that was a funny old season. K9 sounds like he's being throttled...
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: And the stories are really suffering from Tom Baker.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: It was all a bit odd and mad, like everyone's minds were slightly elsewhere.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: But still some good stuff, including one of the best stories so far.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I don't think Nimon is one of the best stories so far.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I meant Creature from the Pit.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I think it's looking a bit tired. They should shake it up a bit.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: They need to get rid of Tom. He's too dominant.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Although I think Lalla Ward carried a good chunk of this season.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: While Tom phoned it in. What's next? Something to do with bees, isn't it?

Date: 2010-09-03 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steve-mollmann.livejournal.com
Season 17 is one of my least favorite, though it's always a joy to watch Lalla Ward, the best Romana of them all. City of Death is of course brilliant, and I do enjoy Nightmare of Eden, but everything else is awful. Rock-paper-scissors in Destiny of the Daleks is fun in a so-bad-it's-good sort of way.

The problem isn't that the season is lightly comic, the problem is that it's lightly comic but none of the jokes are actually funny.

Date: 2010-09-05 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I think this season also suffers by being followed by such an effective revamp.

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