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Destiny of the Daleks
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I have very strong memories of this story.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Me too.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I think it's... well, it's fine, isn't it? A better version of Genesis.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Better because shorter. Not quite as well executed. Good cliffhangers.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: And the most diverse casting of any story so far. I feel I should be more enthusiastic, but, you know, it's a four-part Dalek story. Which comedy costume does Romana have in this one?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Princess Astra, you mean?
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: No, Romana regenerated...
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: What? Romana regenerated? I thought she'd left!!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: This is going to be a long season.

City of Death
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Well, what can you say? It's lovely.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: You can say that. And you'd be right.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Look, there's Eleanor Bron!
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Yum.

The Creature from the Pit
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: This was great. This was just great.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: See, I told you I wasn't mad!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: It was the costumes. The design. The hats. The wolf weeds.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: The giant plastic bag monster! And it passes the Bechdel test.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I'm sorry Adrasta doesn't get away with it. I think we're seeing propaganda from the Chloris Metal Megacorp PR department. All the bitching about big government is amazing in these last couple of seasons.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: It's almost like 1978 was rubbish.

Nightmare of Eden
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Oh, now, this was quite interesting! You can see a direct line from it to The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit. That's what the future looks like. Yellow, but a bit grubby.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: The mystery aspect of the plot is a bit botched in the edit. But David Daker holds it together in the first episode despite that.

The Horns of Nimon
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Oh holy Christ. Poor Lalla Ward. She's giving it everything. I think she earned her fee.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: She is quite good at the vehement angry stuff. I quite like this.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: The Nimon are wearing platform boots.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: And velour figure-hugging tops!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I blame Marc Bolan. Go on, you were quite liking it. Continue.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Not much actually happens, and what does happen is rather spoiled by Graham Crowden, who always does this boggle-eyed pantomime loon thing. Which worked in A Very Peculiar Practice, but it is shite in everything else.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Fighting talk.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Only if Graham's mum is in the room!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Didn't want to mention it, but...
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Hello Mrs Crowden!

Shada
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Now I think this benefits from not having been completed. I think we have all the good stuff, and none of the padding. And the good stuff is great: Dennis Carey...
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: CHRISTOPHER NEAME! IT'S CHRISTOPHER NEAME!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I was getting to that. Christopher Neame, Cambridge locations, daft jokes. The only thing that makes me want to kill is the barber shop bunch.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Death is too good for them. Unless any of them have actually died by now, in which case, their loved ones have my deepest sympathies.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Good save. I don't think anyone noticed, like that time we were accidentally mean about Barry Letts.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I thought we weren't going to mention that again.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Shall we just say then how sad we are every time we see a picture of Douglas Adams?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Yes. Happysad, though.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel and [livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Thank you, Douglas xx


Ranking
City of Death
The Creature from the Pit
Nightmare of Eden
Shada
Destiny of the Daleks
The Horns of Nimon

[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Well that was a funny old season. K9 sounds like he's being throttled...
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: And the stories are really suffering from Tom Baker.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: It was all a bit odd and mad, like everyone's minds were slightly elsewhere.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: But still some good stuff, including one of the best stories so far.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I don't think Nimon is one of the best stories so far.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I meant Creature from the Pit.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I think it's looking a bit tired. They should shake it up a bit.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: They need to get rid of Tom. He's too dominant.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Although I think Lalla Ward carried a good chunk of this season.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: While Tom phoned it in. What's next? Something to do with bees, isn't it?

Date: 2010-09-03 02:46 am (UTC)
ext_6322: (Dr Who)
From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
I thought the Creature from the Pit was the best alien ever.

Date: 2010-09-03 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
He's most gentlemanly.

Date: 2010-09-03 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
Lalla Ward is awesome in Nimons. In fact, she kind of makes this season. I ♥ Romana.

Date: 2010-09-03 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Her costume is particularly good: riding jacket, etc.

Date: 2010-09-03 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skywaterblue.livejournal.com
My ex and I refer to this season as 'the one where Romana discovers fetish'. Schoolgirl, riding jacket, femme!Doctor...

Date: 2010-09-04 10:22 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-09-03 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katlinel.livejournal.com
Was the part of Mrs Crowden played by Jefferson?

Date: 2010-09-03 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
He would do it admirably, I think.

:-D

Date: 2010-09-03 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archbishopm.livejournal.com
Holy crow, you are swiftly approaching the point me and my wee Turlough-stalking libido came in, aren't you?

*lays in a supply of rotten vegetables and fruits*

Re: :-D

Date: 2010-09-03 11:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] manna
Holy crow, you are swiftly approaching the point me and my wee Turlough-stalking libido came in, aren't you?

You know, at the time, my friends at school all used to look at me like I was mad when I said I liked Turlough. And now LJ seems to be full of us.

Re: :-D

Date: 2010-09-03 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
The nickname that Turlough fans used for themselves way back time back was IDIOTs (I Drool Incessantly Over Turlough).

Re: :-D

Date: 2010-09-04 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archbishopm.livejournal.com
And now LJ seems to be full of us.

At last my long years of experimentation in the field of remote mass mind control have borne fruit BWAHAHAHAhemhm

*adjusts frequency*

So, now, how we all feelin' about Croucher?

Re: :-D

Date: 2010-09-04 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
my long years of experimentation in the field of remote mass mind control

"You are loved! You are cared for! worshipthecroucher You are loved! You are cared for!"

Re: :-D

Date: 2010-09-03 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Very close now...

Date: 2010-09-03 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azalaisdep.livejournal.com
OK, now I am confused. I have vivid childhood memories of a scene involving Tom Baker, Romana and quite possibly K9 on the Backs, King's chapel and all. But that can't be Shada, because I can't have seen Shada when I was a kid. So what am I remembering? Or did Douglas Adams perform Inception on me years before Leonardo DiCaprio was so much as a twinkle in anyone's eye?

Date: 2010-09-03 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
You were watching The Five Doctors, the 20th anniversary story from 1983. Tom Baker didn't want to take part so soon after leaving the show, and clips from 'Shada' were used instead.

Date: 2010-09-03 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azalaisdep.livejournal.com
Ahh, that explains it, and 1983 would be a plausible sort of date. So I have seen some of Shada after all!

Date: 2010-09-03 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
And if you've read Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency then you've know the story.

Date: 2010-09-03 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azalaisdep.livejournal.com
I realised that when I went and looked Shada up on Wikipedia and Professor Chronotis cropped up :-)

Date: 2010-09-03 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steve-mollmann.livejournal.com
Season 17 is one of my least favorite, though it's always a joy to watch Lalla Ward, the best Romana of them all. City of Death is of course brilliant, and I do enjoy Nightmare of Eden, but everything else is awful. Rock-paper-scissors in Destiny of the Daleks is fun in a so-bad-it's-good sort of way.

The problem isn't that the season is lightly comic, the problem is that it's lightly comic but none of the jokes are actually funny.

Date: 2010-09-05 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I think this season also suffers by being followed by such an effective revamp.

Date: 2010-09-04 08:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fallingtowers.livejournal.com
I seem to have a soft spot for episodes from this season. City of Death is an undisputed classic, of course, but I think that both Creature from the Pit and Horns of Nimon are underappreciated works of genius.

Date: 2010-09-05 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Creature from the Pit is unfairly maligned. Nimon isn't so much to my taste!

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