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[livejournal.com profile] communicator once said that anything could be improved by setting it in space. I've cheerfully pinched co-opted this idea on several occasions, because it's true:

  • Upstairs Downstairs - In Space

  • Boston Legal - In Space

  • Law and Order: Criminal Intent - In Space

  • Mansfield Park - In Space
See?

However, long and considered discussion has revealed that there is something that could be improved by not setting it in space. Blake's 7.

I was trying to think of how I'd do the show again, if someone handed me the money. And realized that if I did get to do it, I'd make it all about resistance against an Evil Earth Administration in a near future. No need for spaceships. It would be the programme that you think you're going to get when you watch 'The Way Back'. And it'd be great (well, it is in my head).

Callan In Space would be brilliant though.

Date: 2006-04-10 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aervir.livejournal.com
That there are no obvious heroes or heroines - there are just people, with a variety of flaws and qualities.

That's what I've been wondering: Is Fanny supposed to be the heroine? Was she ever seen by 19th-century readers as some shining model of perfection? Or has she actually been one of Austen's most ambiguous characters all the time?

As I have recently changed my opinion on Marianne Dashwood, I might also find it in my heart to like Fanny Price... ;)

Date: 2006-04-10 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Is Fanny supposed to be the heroine? Was she ever seen by 19th-century readers as some shining model of perfection? Or has she actually been one of Austen's most ambiguous characters all the time?

I don't know nearly enough about the context, but I'd like to speculate that Austen was sending up that kind of heroine in much the same way she sent up the heroines of Gothic novels: well, here is your model of perfection, do you still like her set against Mary Crawford?

But Fanny is not a cipher, she's fully-rounded. As a character, as opposed to an ideal of womanhood, she has qualities that can be admired.

And I guess 19th-century readers were no more homogeneous than 21st-century readers. I gather there are people who read Lolita and think Humbert Humbert is in some way admirable.

Date: 2006-04-10 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aervir.livejournal.com
I don't know nearly enough about the context, but I'd like to speculate that Austen was sending up that kind of heroine in much the same way she sent up the heroines of Gothic novels.

There are interpretations of MP in literary criticism that do share this opinion, reading Fanny as a less obvious parody of the sentimental heroine. (And if anything deserves to be parodied, it's the sentimental novel, IMHO. I was traumatized by Richardson.) Unfortunately, I don't remember in which book or essay I've read this so that I might look up the details of this line of argumentation. Argh.

I gather there are people who read "Lolita" and think Humbert Humbert is in some way admirable.

It's very embarassing to confess, but when I read it the first time I found myself sympathising with him occasionally... I often tend to lose critical distance with first-person narrators in books I don't know yet. However, Humbert Humbert? Eeek.

Date: 2006-04-10 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I've read practically no crit of Austen; I have the Cambridge Companion kicking around, but have only dipped into it.

Date: 2006-04-10 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aervir.livejournal.com
Have you already read the article on "Austen cult and cultures" by Claudia L. Johnson in the Companion?

Among other things, it defends the non-academic Janeite fandom. And implicitly compares them to Star Trek fans, who are -- according to Johnson -- often unfairly maligned as well. I was most amused.

Date: 2006-04-10 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Yes, that's the one I've read :-D And I liked its approach to fandom too.

Date: 2006-04-10 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
Like the unjust vis a vis just's umbrella, the Crawfords would unquestionably steal Fanny and Edmund's modest spacehopper.

Possibly Crazy Space Incest would ensue.

Date: 2006-04-10 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aervir.livejournal.com
I should have suspected as much... ;)

Date: 2006-04-10 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I'm bound to like anything that legitimizes me ;-D (Damn, they're cute in that icon!)

Date: 2006-04-10 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aervir.livejournal.com
I'm bound to like anything that legitimizes me.

That sums up my own reaction to the essay pretty neatly. Hooray, I'm now officially no longer just an anorak! (Or, in the case of Jane Austen fans, whatever the Regency equivalent to an anorak might be. Greatcoat? Pelisse?)

Damn, they're cute in that icon!

*g*

I hope that Kasiopea will draw a few more wee!Gondorians cartoons...

Date: 2006-04-10 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
whatever the Regency equivalent to an anorak might be. Greatcoat? Pelisse?

*snort!*

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