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Attack of the Cybermen
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Well, that was a lot more fun than I expected. Lytton was the only good thing about "Resurrection of the Daleks", and he's equally good in this one, if not better.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I agree. Thought this would be violent and a shocker, and it does have a hard edge, but there's a decent little story going on underneath, and yes: Lytton is the high point.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: A shout out for the Fat Controller.

Vengeance on Varos
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: The golden rule for casting directors, is "Don't cast Jason Connery." He won't be any better this time. You know it in your hearts to be true.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I concur. He's terrible. And although everyone else is very good...
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: (Yay! Stephen Yardley! He's the XYY Man, you know.)
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: (Yay! Martin Jarvis!)
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: (are we done with interjections?)
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: ...this commits the fatal sin of doing the thing it is criticizing.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I can't disagree there. It is nearly very good, though.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Yes.

The Mark of the Rani
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: What exactly is Peri wearing? That mustard coloured dress can only have been fashionable for 30 seconds in the 19th century.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: That is neither a frock nor a dress, it is a costume. Perfidious Master! Perfidious Rani! Silly but watchable.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Again, lots of good bits. The plastic tree is difficult to take in an era of Renee dressed up as a tree to spy on Gruber's little tank. But apart from that...
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: What is it Pip & Jane do? Is it 1930s Amazing Stories? Or Flash Gordon? I like their chutzpah. "Darlings, you'll love this one...we're perverting the course of the industrial revolution with the aid of a plastic tree. And it doesn't need any rewrites."
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Except for quality.

The Two Doctors
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Oh, I miss you Patrick Troughton! You were great. And Colin is great in this one too. And him out of Brass. And her out of Blake's 7. And him out of "The Gunfighters". And...
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Yes. I love it too.

Timelash
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Oh, I miss you Patrick Troughton! You were great. And Colin is great too. But not him out of Blake's 7. He is not great in this.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Jesus, that was shite.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: We haven't seen anything as bad as that since "Frontios".
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Can you deal with your "Frontios" issues in private?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: *mutters something about "Terminus"*
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: On the plus side... No, there was no plus side.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: That's not fair. Wells is good, as is Denis Carey.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: *sigh* Meh.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: And I like the makeup on the Borad. It looks so strokable.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Can you deal with your Borad issues in private?

Revelation of the Daleks
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: This is one of my favourites so far. It has so much going for it. Him off The Champions for starters.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Oh, man, what a great story. I was running through the things I love about this story, and I hadn't even thought of William Gaunt!
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I KNOW!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: This story is so good, I was sure it was written by Bob Holmes.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: But it wasn't Bob Holmes's story. That's how you could tell.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Yeah, but it's got Bob-double-acts and Bob-wit.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: You're not wrong. And the violence supports the story rather than being overly intrusive.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Shame Saward didn't write like this all the time.


Ranking
Revelation of the Daleks
The Two Doctors
Attack of the Cybermen
Vengeance on Varos
The Mark of the Rani
Timelash

[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: So, Colin's first season proper is rather a good one. Except for "Timelash".
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Two brilliant, one good, one misfire, one meh, one bad. That's alright.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Best season since Davison's first?
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Nah. I just like Davison more. But Colin has great brio!
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Fair enough - but I think this season is both more ambitious and better executed than most of the rest of Davison.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Let's hope they keep up this momentum...

Date: 2011-04-01 10:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lonemagpie.livejournal.com
I remember Attack as being good first time round, but on repeated viewings it's... a mess. Like Resurrection, it's a bunch of fanwank set-pieces haphazardly tossed across the screen.

That description reads as being more icky than I thought.

Oddly, it probably works better now, given that it depends on a lot of knowledge of previous episodes, which viewers on DVD nowadays are more likely to have than casual viewers at the time did... Colbourne and Glover are great, though, and it's pretty much a guilty pleasure.

The Two Doctors is decent, but not as awesome as it should have been, and I think that's basically because it's about half an hour too long. And needed a better director.

Date: 2011-04-01 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lonemagpie.livejournal.com
Oh, Revelation, of course... Why didn't Saward write like this all the time? Cos this story isn't actually his - it's Evelyn Waugh's The Loved One with the serial numbers filed off, and Daleks added.

Wish he'd done more book pastiches, really.

Date: 2011-04-01 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I don't mind pastiche or adaptation. Perhaps Saward showed here that if he wasn't fixating on the violence as something in its own right, and remembered that Doctor Who has a comedic edge, then he could write a smashing story.

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