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The Masque of Mandragora
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: This starts off all "Sci" "Fi", but rapidly improves when we reach Renaissance Wales... er, Italy.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Tim Pigott-Smith is so much better than anyone else in this. He's delivering the lines like he's at the RSC. He is completely and totally believable in this part.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I agree. You have to give some credit to the guy playing Hieronymous, though. He's got quite a challenging role if your criteria for success include the word 'believable'.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Emotional truth, darling. Emotional truth. That's all I'm asking for.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I always want an orange after watching this.

The Hand of Fear
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: What a smasher!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Yes, I think it's a little cracker.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I was talking about Lis.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Well, it's your last chance, so I can't blame you. Go on, say nice things about Luvverly Lis.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: It is challenging to say nice things about the Andy-Pandy suit.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Poor girl.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: There's no poor girl about it, I'm willing to bet she chose that herself.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Get out of here!
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Absolutely!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Thank god we're not living in the Seventies any more. Do you want to say anything about this story?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I think we've said everything. Quick! Duck behind that sofa! A nuclear bomb is about to go off!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Isn't that broadly the contents of "Protect and Survive"?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I was quoting.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Next story.

The Deadly Assassin
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Shall I shoot you and then myself, or shall we go together.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: The Yawnly Yawn. Why? Why? Why?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Let me guess, this is another one of those bloody stupid stories like "Genesis of the Daleks" that may be as appallingly dull as watching TV static, but "build the mythos", and are therefore somehow "classic".
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: The only good mythos is a dead mythos.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: What about "Highlander"?
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Methos, darling. Methos.

The Face of Evil
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Ooh! It's another studio jungle! Haven't they done a bang-up job of that?
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Lots of practice. But, another little cracker, I think.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: You're not talking about Leela, I presume?
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: No.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Even when you know the premise, I think this one works very well, because the two tribes are so well drawn.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Lovely performances all round, and some smashing bits of design, like the broken-up space-suit that's become the priest's vestments. Nice little story. And quite "Sci" "Fi".
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: And, as with Jo, I expected to hate Leela, but in fact she seems a much better foil for Tom than Sarah was.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I agree.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I'm still not warming to Tom Baker, though.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I think it's because he was so horrible to Sarah. This partnership looks like it'll work better.

The Robots of Death
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Kill the humans!
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Let's finish this write-up first. Then flame on. What a brilliant, wonderful story.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: And it looks absolutely beautiful.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Russell Hunter, Brian Croucher, David Collings, Pamela Salem. And, yes, it looks amazing. When do you think Chris Boucher gave a big sigh and said, "Oh, now, this is where it all started to go wrong..."?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Judging by the commentary, I think that this - which is, what, his second commission - is the high spot of his career.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: There's "Blake" yet, matey.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Ah yes! I heard that they were developing a new "Sci" "Fi" series to replace "Softly, Softly"! That'll never work out.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I think it will be... watched.

The Talons of Weng-Chiang
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Oh corks.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I was going to say that! And, indeed, what more is there to say?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Even the giant rat was good. I don't know what people are complaining about.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I agree. Let's hear it for the rat.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Rattus Magnus. A great example of Bob's throwaway lines, adding colour and texture to a straightforward story: "I was with the Filipino army in the final advance on Rekjavik."
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Isn't that part of the mythos?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: No! It's just a throwaway line!

Ranking
The Robots of Death
The Talons of Weng-Chiang
The Hand of Fear
The Face of Evil
The Masque of Mandragora
The Deadly Assassin


[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: This was a much better season, only really let down by "The Deadly Assassin".
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Which at least has a couple of nice performances.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Yes, but it did have an episode-and-a-half without dialogue, trudging around the matrix.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: You're not wrong. I agree that this was a much improved season, and I'm finding Tom more watchable - or, at least, the relationship with Leela more enjoyable.

Date: 2010-05-31 05:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] julesjones
Damn you, woman, I already have at least two years' worth of unwatched DVDs, I donotdonotdnot need several more boxes.

Shan't look at Robots of Death on Play to check the price. Shan't.

Date: 2010-05-31 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
It is brilliant though.

Date: 2010-05-31 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matildabj.livejournal.com
Watching Robots of Death as a child left me with more than one image burned on to my brain. I was emotionally scarred by that story. It was, indeed, brilliant.

Date: 2010-06-01 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
It's a cracker of a story, and completely holds up today.

Date: 2010-05-31 06:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
But I can - since Baker is the next Doctor for whom I need to purchase a DVD in my absolutely fair system of purchasing Who DVDs, and I had no strong feelings about what I wanted. Then you can watch it - after you have seen Tennant's Hamlet, and the Pertwee story.

Date: 2010-05-31 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
Deadly assassins are much the worst sort.

Date: 2010-06-01 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Thank goodness Doctor Who is there to warn us!

Date: 2010-05-31 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carl-allery.livejournal.com
Ah, Robots of Death, still sends shivers down my spine. One of the few Dr Who episodes I have the audio of and one that I'm quite happy listening to, because the robot voices were far spookier than the images. Whoever designed the mask deserves an award, though, especially the black dumb-class ones. :)

Date: 2010-06-01 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I love how the make-up on the humans mirrors the design of the robot masks.

Date: 2010-05-31 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qatsi.livejournal.com
I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't "get" The Deadly Assassin. For some reason, Mrs Q regards it as "a classic".

Date: 2010-06-01 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I think Gallifrey and the Time Lords are better left to imagination, rather than turning out to be few doddery chaps in a TV studio in West London.

Date: 2010-06-02 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qatsi.livejournal.com
[a] few doddery chaps in a TV studio in West London In Silly Hats.

Date: 2010-06-03 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Yes, that's an important addition, because otherwise it could just be e.g. Question Time.

Date: 2010-05-31 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katlinel.livejournal.com
Ooh, I think my childhood Who novelisation reading scores two from this season which were the Talons of Weng Chiang and Robots of Death, both of which I recall as terrifying.

Hope season 15 brings equally exciting stuff!

Date: 2010-06-01 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Our Honourable Friend [livejournal.com profile] iainjcoleman should surely be able to supply both stories. I think they're well worth a watch.

Date: 2010-05-31 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iainjcoleman.livejournal.com
I always want an orange after watching this.

Not a salami sandwich?

But yes, a splendid season, especially the last three stories. Everything is Better with Boucher.

You didn't mention the best thing about The Hand of Fear: the wonderful performance by Judith Paris. (Stephen Thorne, not so much.)

Date: 2010-06-01 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
She is knockout. It's such a great story.

Date: 2010-06-01 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gair.livejournal.com
altariel: Isn't that part of the mythos?
mraltariel: No! It's just a throwaway line!


You two make me very happy!

Date: 2010-06-01 04:42 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-05-09 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
I've just watched the first two episodes of Hand of Fear, thanks to the BBC showing the story as a tribute to Elisabeth Sladen. I can only agree with everything that the two of you have said about it (how boring!). The strange thing is that I have no memory of watching it when it was first shown. I can only assume that I've since had an encounter with one of the Silents (or is it Silence?).

Date: 2011-05-10 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
It's a smashing story. Lis is lovely in it. I'm glad you've caught it.

(No, I'm not sure whether it's Silents or Silence either, and with so much in the stories about indeterminacy, I wonder if we're meant to be unsure.)

Date: 2011-05-10 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
Lis is indeed lovely in it. But her Andy Pandy outfit definitely isn't. Maybe that's why I expunged the story from my memory. :)

Date: 2011-05-11 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
Having now watched episodes 3 and 4 I must echo the praise for Judith Paris. She was wonderful. Mind you, I do have something of a weakness for sexy female aliens. :)

It was a pity that the male Kastrian Eldrad was so obviously just a man in a rubber suit. Even with their limited budget, I think that they could have done better and made the sharp dividing line between the suit and the man's face rather less obvious. That was the only real downside to what was otherwise a fine story. (Though I did wonder, if the toxin in the harpoon thingy was so deadly, why the Kastrians had bothered with the Obliterator rather than just using the toxin.)

It occurs to be that more of Eldrad's original body may still be buried somewhere in that quarry. Though presumably without the ring it can't do any harm, at least until such time as Steven Moffat decides that it would be a fun monster to revive and finds a way around the missing ring problem.

Date: 2011-05-11 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Mind you, I do have something of a weakness for sexy female aliens. :)

Quite right too! Yes, she's terrific (and the male Eldrad nowhere near as striking). You're right it would be a fun monster to revive, and they could probably do better than a man in a rubber suit now!

Date: 2011-05-11 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
You're right it would be a fun monster to revive, and they could probably do better than a man in a rubber suit now!

If by any chance you should make that the basis of your next Who book, then I shall expect a mention in the acknowledgements. :)

Date: 2011-05-11 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I promise that if I include a man in a rubber suit in my new Who book, you shall be duly acknowledged ;-)

Date: 2011-05-11 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
I'll only insist on that if it turns out to be Eldrad. :)

Date: 2011-05-10 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
Afterthought: With regard to indeterminancy, Amy's foetus is right up there with Scroedinger's cat. :)

Date: 2011-05-10 11:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Absolutely!

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