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Here be Pertwee. A brave new world of colour and extremely short skirts.


Spearhead From Space
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Right. I remember loving this as we were watching it, and now I can't remember a thing about it. This happens every time I watch this.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I think this is the best introduction for the Doctor since 'An Unearthly Child'.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Remind me what happens.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: There's a plot, which evolves over four episodes, and they introduce the Doctor, and they begin to introduce the set-up and supporting cast. And it looks brilliant.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Also, the lovely Liz. I know you don't like her, but I still think she's a marvellous companion and it's a lovely performance from Caroline John as someone who's a lot cleverer than most people around her but has to handle people treating her like a dolly. Can we watch PROBE next?
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I know this was made in 1969, but it's all Jaguars, puddles, and rubbish under the railway arches. The Seventies have begun.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Also, things are brown.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Very brown.

Doctor Who and the Silurians
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: This was great! I had completely forgotten the bit about the plague that the lizard-folk let loose! There was actually enough story to fill all seven episodes. Pretty much.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: A show not spoiled by Paul Darrow.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Aw, I like his double-Rimmers.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I have nothing else to say. I like this story, in an uncomplicated fashion.

The Ambassadors of Death
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: All right, so we had a bit of padding in this one. But I still think it's an atmospheric and pretty scary story. John Abineri manages to do military man going mad without cackling and eye-rolling. It's a very effective story.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Although obviously influenced by Quatermass, it's a much less silly story than that, and better realized. The spacemen are especially creepy.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: It shits all over "Children of Earth". But that's not hard.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Do you think "Children of Earth" is based on the same type of story, then?
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Absolutely, although it also riffs on "The Quatermass Conclusion".
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Boring boring "Torchwood", more juvenile than a children's story.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: You said it, sir.

Inferno
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Oh man, what a waste of three stunning episodes!
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: The first three barely manage to warm the turkey up to tepid.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Gosh, you're tough. But once it goes into the alternate universe it's stellar! All the supporting cast suddenly start performing.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: And Liz gets a better wig.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: And a fascist frock.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Are these the worst monsters so far? The Monoids mock them for being rubbish.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: The Zarbi scorn. The other thing I like is that it's doing IMAGERY and METAPHOR and stuff. With serious intent. And I think they just about get away with it, because Doomsday is so brilliant in the AU, apart from the slow fight with the Brigadier.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I must mention the Swarfega.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Consider it mentioned.


Ranking
Spearhead From Space
Doctor Who and the Silurians
The Ambassadors of Death
Inferno


[livejournal.com profile] altariel: I have always liked this season, and it did not disappoint. Apart from the bad bits of 'Inferno'.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: The many bad bits. It's striking just how much it is like 'Web of Fear', 'The Invasion', and 'The War Games', and how obviously absent all those Hartnell throwback filler stories like 'The Krotons' and 'The Dominators' are. This is what happens when you halve the number of episodes per season, and it really benefits from it.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Thank you Barry Letts.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: Even if you only inherited these stories and directed the crap one.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: And not for 'The Sevenfold Crown'.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: But thank you anyway.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: That sounds a bit bad.
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: But we mean it in a good way.

Date: 2009-10-15 10:19 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mraltariel.livejournal.com
We forgot to mention the monster with the massive "Stallman" badge, just so you know who he is.

Date: 2009-10-15 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
It was a VERY BIG BADGE INDEED.

Date: 2009-10-15 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alcina2.livejournal.com
I particularly like the way people climb up onto ver high bits of the oil refineryInferno Project for no good reason except that they can have exciting chases and then fall off dramatically.
Edited Date: 2009-10-15 11:25 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-10-15 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kendokamel.livejournal.com
That's the way to do it!

Date: 2009-10-15 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
"Quick! Up that tower! We have an episode to fill!"

Date: 2009-10-15 11:34 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
I remember loving this as we were watching it, and now I can't remember a thing about it. This happens every time I watch this.

I remember the Doctor getting out of the TARDIS and collapsing... and then my brain seems to flip to the arrival of the Master and Jo. Um... I think one of them may have hypnotised me.

Date: 2009-10-15 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
'Terror of the Autons' (which we're watching now) is exactly the same story as 'Spearhead', except the Doctor doesn't fall out of the TARDIS at the start. I can see why they'd get elided. Or else - yes, Jo has hypnotized you.

Date: 2009-10-15 04:39 pm (UTC)
ext_6322: (Jo)
From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
It never happened. It was all a dream.

Er, yes, you may be right.

Date: 2009-10-15 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
I like Liz. You can tell [livejournal.com profile] mraltariel he's just wrong!

Date: 2009-10-15 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Don't worry, I have done - repeatedly!

Date: 2009-10-15 07:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mraltariel.livejournal.com
Oh, Liz is great in Spearhead. And as evil-Liz in Inferno. And for her 30 second appearance in Amb.of.Death. But apart from that, she might as well not be there.

Date: 2009-10-15 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggymalvern.livejournal.com
Yes, sadly I think the writers didn't know what to do with her. Much of the time, the companion seems to be there for the Doctor to explain the plot to, and since Liz already understood for herself, she was just left hanging :-(

Date: 2009-10-15 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matildabj.livejournal.com
I LOVE Spearhead from Space. Particularly the fighting on gangways. And Liz.

Date: 2009-10-16 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
It all looks great too.

Date: 2009-10-15 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qatsi.livejournal.com
Inferno is a bit naff, in a 1970s-TBO-sort-of-way, though I do like the Brigade Leader. And don't forget it's got Christopher Benjamin in it!

Meanwhile, Mrs Q has just acquired the Dalek War box set (Frontier in Space/Planet of the Daleks) so we're in Jo Grant territory :(
Edited Date: 2009-10-15 08:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-10-16 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
The Brigade Leader is awesome. These guys made him Ruler of the Universe at the Redemption convention at the start of the year: a brilliant campaign (including marching into the hustings and threatening the other candidates!). Absolutely brilliantly conceived and carried out.

I'm secretly enjoying Jo as a companion, and the whole Pertwee era so far. A wee while before we get to Frontier In Space/Planet of the Daleks: I'm not sure I've ever seen them all the way through.

Christopher Benjamin FTW!

Date: 2009-10-15 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katlinel.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel: I must mention the Swarfega.
[livejournal.com profile] altariel: Consider it mentioned.

This makes me very happy. This is a happy post of happiness. IMAGERY and METAPHOR and stuff, oh my.


*is still liking of Torchwood(+) though, despite its irrepressible juvenility*

(+) but not Children of Earth

Date: 2009-10-16 08:43 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mraltariel.livejournal.com
Ah interesting! I still quite like some of season one, because its faults are to do with not knowing what it is doing, and doing it a bit badly, not a lack of imagination. Season 2 I think is much better made, but utterly devoid of interest or creativity.

We will not speak of CoE*.

* That's not the Church of England, although we won't speak of that either, probably.

Date: 2009-10-18 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katlinel.livejournal.com
I think I liked season 1 because it fitted in with the universe of Hyperdrive in which people are cheerfully incompetent and a bit rubbish but it all kind of works out in the end. There was less of that in season 2 - that seemed to be more about individual stories than having a unifying theme. I liked Tosh's episode with Tommy, but the S2 PJ Hammond episode was not as good as the S1 one, and that's how I generally talk about S2, not that I talk that much about Torchwood. And it certainly didn't fill me with the rage that Ashes to Ashes did - Torchwood was something that I looked forward to watching, without necessarily adoring it. I found enough in it to forgive or at least cope with its flaws.

I see no need to have a conversation about the CoE right now, unless the subject of comedy vicars arises, but why would it? (Would a vicar, or vicar-in-training make an interesting companion for the Doctor?)

Date: 2009-10-19 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
How can someone with such a sound choice of icon be so wrong about the relative merits of the different seasons of Torchwood? :)

(There ought to be Who-Noggin crossover fanfic, especially as Nogbad is clearly yet another alias for the Master.)

Date: 2009-10-20 08:42 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mraltariel.livejournal.com
The icon does not lie. Trust the icon.

Date: 2009-10-16 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Never Children of Earth

Date: 2009-10-18 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katlinel.livejournal.com
Never! Or possibly the first two episodes with the proper ending (the ones in our heads - the True Story!*) but not what was shown on TV.

*Mine involves Rhys releasing the information to the world, and lots of soldiers refusing to carry out their orders, and possibly the breakdown of law and order and all sorts of things. And possibly some boffins somewhere actually coming up with a solution like a better drug for the numbered alien. This may not be a happy ending - there may be a lot more rubble involved, not just the Hub.

Date: 2009-10-16 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sugoll.livejournal.com
I do adore these series posts. And I find myself wondering how they're written - A and MrA taking turns at the keyboard, or a conversation while A types, or a mashed up dialogue part-remembered and summarised by A or - the list goes on. I feel like I want a Making of.... post--

--but that would spoil the magic.

Oh, and colour me ignorant, but: they had an episode called Doctor Who and...!?

Date: 2009-10-17 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
It's totally automated. We fed all the scripts into the computer, and all our LJ posts too. When we get to the end of each season, we press a button, the magic software pulls out all relevant phrases, formats it, and then posts straight to LJ. Trufax.

Date: 2009-10-18 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Oh, and colour me ignorant, but: they had an episode called Doctor Who and...!?

Yup - says it on screen and everything!

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