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I haven't posted much this month, have I? Teaching. Busy. [livejournal.com profile] mraltariel and I have been mainlining Upstairs, Downstairs. (Don't spoil me! We're only up to 1916 and I've managed to go my entire life without being spoiled!) Want an icon of Hudson with the legend: "My quarrel is with the Hanoverian succession."

Convinced that Strictly Come Dancing is a MASSIVE FIX, and embittered that Willie Thorne got booted out. The message boards are funny, though.

Went out for lunch to Midsummer House on Saturday and got demonstrated at by people protesting about the foie gras. They shouted, "Blood! Blood! Blood on your hands!" and pipped a horn and blew a whistle for about an hour, until the police rolled up and moved them along. I didn't mind much: it doesn't do any harm to find yourself the object of someone's contempt every so often and, anyway, I had become extremely tipsy within fifteen minutes of entering the building.

Read Jack London's The Iron Heel (good article here; online version here) and was mildly depressed at how current it remains. I did get to add another to my list of Great Sociologists of Literature, however (now numbering three): "I only wish you fellows knew a little something about sociology," Ernest said wistfully. "We would be saved so much trouble if you did." Now trying to cheer myself up with a reread of Kate Atkinson's One Good Turn.

That's about it for my life right now. As the journal title says: Full life, trifle banal.

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For the record, the three Great Sociologists of Literature that I have found are: Ernest Everhard in The Iron Heel by Jack London; Glen Bateman in The Stand by Stephen King; and the protagonist-whose-name-I-can't-remember in Bellwether by Connie Willis. If you know a Great Sociologist, please tell me. Perhaps I should just make up one of my own.

You get lots of Great Anthropologists in SF, particularly Le Guin, but I'm not counting them, they can make their own list. You can take interdisciplinarity too far, you know and WE DO STATS SO YAH BOO. I don't count all those characters in Sylvia Engdahl's books either, though I might, if it turns out one of them self-describes as a sociologist. My copies are upstairs and I'm not moving from this sofa tonight.

Date: 2007-10-29 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
Don't spoil me!

i'd better not tell you that World War I ends in 1918 then. Oops!

Date: 2007-10-29 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
La la! Can't hear you!

Date: 2007-10-29 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katlinel.livejournal.com
The only other fictional sociologist I can think of is Bryan in Julian May's Saga of the Exiles. And I don't think he's a Great Hero, more of an Awful Warning to sociologists not to meddle with things beyond their ken, especially if they're not aware of the ramifications of their sociological studies. And they should beware of red-headed, grey-eyed, French women archetypically enacting La Belle Dame Sans Merci.

I think Upstairs, Downstairs is one of the things my grandmother used to watch and my parents didn't (along with Crossroads and wrestling), so I saw occasional bits of it, which means I cannot spoil you for it. I am glad you are reveling in it.

Date: 2007-10-29 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com
Katherine Maclean's classic SF short story "Snowball Effect" is about a sociology experiment that goes awry. It's very funny and - because it's so very plausible - is also very scary.

Date: 2007-10-30 09:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
My MSc thesis supervisor (a psychologist) had a big poster on his office door one the lines of: "Mad Scientist: Tampering With The Forces of Life Itself".

What is is with grandparents and wrestling? My grandfather (one of the gentlest men ever) loved wrestling.

Date: 2007-10-29 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-wild-iris.livejournal.com
In Robert Silverberg's The World Inside, one of the major characters (the novel is a series of interconnected episodes about different characters) is a 'sociocomputator'.

Glen is so great. I mean, he's an atheist academic who can rationally explain why it's right and necessary for atheist academics to become warriors of God (without sacrificing their atheism). And he's owned by literature's greatest dog. I love Glen.

Date: 2007-10-30 09:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
"Sociocomputator": that's an ambition, isn't it?

Absolutely with you on the Glen-love. And Big Steve too.

Date: 2007-10-29 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muuranker.livejournal.com
You said: If you know a Great Sociologist, please tell me.
I say: I have a vague recollection that the Foundation series is based on an allegedly-great Sociologist

You say: You get lots of Great Anthropologists in SF, particularly Le Guin, but I'm not counting them, they can make their own list.
I say: Anita Cohen Williams already has (the list uses the American definition of 'anthropologist' which includes 'archaeologist' and 'linguist').

Date: 2007-10-30 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I've never read the Foundation series (many big gaps in my SF reading). When I think of archaeologists in SF, I think of Bernice Summerfield from the Doctor Who New Adventures.

Date: 2007-10-30 01:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kerravonsen
the protagonist-whose-name-I-can't-remember in Bellwether by Connie Willis.

Oh yes, she was cool.

I don't count all those characters in Sylvia Engdahl's books either, though I might, if it turns out one of them self-describes as a sociologist.

No, if I recall correctly, they all self-describe as anthropologists.

And she has a new book out! Whee! Which I have ordered! Whee!

Date: 2007-10-30 08:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
I have Engdahl's new book on my Christmas present list! I hope Santa/[livejournal.com profile] mraltariel supply!

Date: 2007-10-30 07:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] trixieleitz
The University of Alma Mater Department of Anthropology have announced, just this week, that they will henceforth be known as the Department of Anthropology, Gender and Sociology. The BoT wonders if his database fields are big enough for the new name.

Date: 2007-10-30 08:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
DAGS doesn't seem that great name to me, after an adolescence spent watching Neighbours.

Date: 2007-10-30 10:28 am (UTC)
trixieleitz: closeup of Stark looking thoughtful, text: "Stark raving sane" (stark raving sane)
From: [personal profile] trixieleitz
*splutter*

Um, yeah, now that you mention it, someone really wasn't thinking about that one, ohdearohdearohdear....

Date: 2007-10-30 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Always check how the acronym reads!

Date: 2007-10-31 12:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] manna
They shouted, "Blood! Blood! Blood on your hands!"

Someone should've sent them out a plate of nicely cooked black pudding with a note stuck in reading 'And in our dinner!'

Perhaps I should just make up one of my own.

You should! How about a detective series with a hero who solves crime with the power of sociology? And Q-analysis!

(Could you count Carnac as a sociologist hero? I guess socioanalysts are what you get when you have sociologists Tampering With The Forces of Life Itself.)

Date: 2007-10-31 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altariel.livejournal.com
Matthew started murmuring, happily, "Blood, blood, blood in my tum..." as he worked his way through his beef.

How about a detective series with a hero who solves crime with the power of sociology? And Q-analysis!

By redefining what we mean by "crime"! And by "criminal"! Hmm, this may need more work.

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