I've put off reading Le Guin's Always Coming Home for years, because I knew I wasn't ready for it. And then I knew that I was, and I loved it to bits, even though I keep waking up faintly depressed to remember that I don't in fact live in a world like that. Never mind, one day we shall have our commonwealth by the sea, where we shall gather to talk about books and cook locally-grown produce and evolve effective consensus-based decision-making processes.
I poked around online for reviews, and found this one which had various interesting things to say, but mostly I wanted to respond to the "flaws" which the review identifies in order to clarify some of my own thinking about the book. Basically, I'm going to gratuitously pick out a few choice quotes and then have a grump about them. Screw consensus-making, let's go with adversarial.
But this seems to me to be a very specific point about inventing or using technology just because we can, or because it's there (no, thank you, I don't actually want a mobile phone). If existing technology provides a sufficiency of information to enable the good life... then why churn out more? (*cough*ipods*cough) As for it being a bit of a fiddle - hey, her Utopia, she gets to set the rules.
Call me easily scared, but I found the internal logic of the Condor all too convincing. Besides, the utopian genre is all about holding up mirror images to reflect back upon either the utopia itself or upon our own world - this is a very common device in the genre (More's Utopia does it as, indeed, does Le Guin's own The Dispossessed). Also, the Condor are very carefully constructed into the flow of Always Coming Home. I'm avoiding saying 'narrative flow' because the book surely isn't about linear narrative, and the Condor provide precisely the point of intersection between a holistic, hinging and ahistorical world, and a linear, progress-driven, historical world. The Condor are the means by which History threatens to intrude upon the Kesh (hence the emergence of the Warrior Lodge after the visit from the Condor). Stone Telling's story is one of the very few bits of straightforward narrative in the book. (We only get one chapter of a single novel.)
But don't the Kesh have guns? I know they frown on hunting and so on, but wouldn't a couple of well-judged shots over the top of the testudos make a pretty clear point? I'll admit that this might start up the whole wheel of history again, Riddley Walker fashion, but isn't part of the idea here that, as with the information which can be retrieved from the Exchanges, the Kesh are selective and pragmatic in their choices about which technologies they'll use? Consistent with the "little country" in the Tao Te Ching, whose inhabitants also have machines which they choose not to use or be used by. (I've just been reading Le Guin's translation of this.)
Oh well, just some reflections, and surely grossly unfair to the reviewer to pick these out of context and then bounce off them. But then I like the end of Tehanu too (reviewer doesn't), so you can happily pay no attention to a word I say. My favourite bit of Always Coming Home, for what it's worth, is the list of "generative metaphors" at the back of the book.
I poked around online for reviews, and found this one which had various interesting things to say, but mostly I wanted to respond to the "flaws" which the review identifies in order to clarify some of my own thinking about the book. Basically, I'm going to gratuitously pick out a few choice quotes and then have a grump about them. Screw consensus-making, let's go with adversarial.
"the 'machina ex machina' of the City of Mind, a benevolent collection of machine intelligences which provides the Kesh and other peoples with all the positive benefits of science and technology (weather forecasts, global communication, etc.), while sparing them the need to devote resources to those ends."
But this seems to me to be a very specific point about inventing or using technology just because we can, or because it's there (no, thank you, I don't actually want a mobile phone). If existing technology provides a sufficiency of information to enable the good life... then why churn out more? (*cough*ipods*cough) As for it being a bit of a fiddle - hey, her Utopia, she gets to set the rules.
"the straw-man patriarchal and authoritarian society of the Dayao/Condor [...] is too extreme to be an interesting contrast to the Kesh (except polemically)
Call me easily scared, but I found the internal logic of the Condor all too convincing. Besides, the utopian genre is all about holding up mirror images to reflect back upon either the utopia itself or upon our own world - this is a very common device in the genre (More's Utopia does it as, indeed, does Le Guin's own The Dispossessed). Also, the Condor are very carefully constructed into the flow of Always Coming Home. I'm avoiding saying 'narrative flow' because the book surely isn't about linear narrative, and the Condor provide precisely the point of intersection between a holistic, hinging and ahistorical world, and a linear, progress-driven, historical world. The Condor are the means by which History threatens to intrude upon the Kesh (hence the emergence of the Warrior Lodge after the visit from the Condor). Stone Telling's story is one of the very few bits of straightforward narrative in the book. (We only get one chapter of a single novel.)
"I can't help thinking that things would be a little different if the Kesh were to face Julius Caesar and a single Roman legion, even with their technological inferiority."
But don't the Kesh have guns? I know they frown on hunting and so on, but wouldn't a couple of well-judged shots over the top of the testudos make a pretty clear point? I'll admit that this might start up the whole wheel of history again, Riddley Walker fashion, but isn't part of the idea here that, as with the information which can be retrieved from the Exchanges, the Kesh are selective and pragmatic in their choices about which technologies they'll use? Consistent with the "little country" in the Tao Te Ching, whose inhabitants also have machines which they choose not to use or be used by. (I've just been reading Le Guin's translation of this.)
Oh well, just some reflections, and surely grossly unfair to the reviewer to pick these out of context and then bounce off them. But then I like the end of Tehanu too (reviewer doesn't), so you can happily pay no attention to a word I say. My favourite bit of Always Coming Home, for what it's worth, is the list of "generative metaphors" at the back of the book.
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Date: 2007-08-14 12:17 pm (UTC)And then I had a long-haul flight :-)
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Date: 2007-08-14 12:43 pm (UTC)I'll have to take a look at this.
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Date: 2007-08-14 01:05 pm (UTC)I really must add to to the list of things I ought to re-read sometime.
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Date: 2007-08-14 01:13 pm (UTC)Connected to this, and for a variety of other reasons, I barely read any fiction as a teenager. But Le Guin was one of the very few authors that I did read.
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Date: 2007-08-14 02:58 pm (UTC)I've come across those criticisms of ACH before, and I agree with
That said, I still don't know quite what to do with the accusations of cultural appropriation I've seen levelled at ACH. When I read it, I had no idea that so many of the practices and ideas had been practiced in the real world by indigenous American peoples; is that a problem? I have a complicated set of opinions about cultural appropriation in general, but I don't really feel qualified to say one way or the other regarding ACH; if there are problems with Le Guin's adoption of Native American tropes, that doesn't invalidate the profound effect the book had on me, but it does change the way I see it now. Which is why I feel a little ambivalent about my username...
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Date: 2007-08-14 03:11 pm (UTC)Yes, I think I could probably say much the same thing. There are ideas from the book that I have internalised very deeply; some that I'm aware of and, I suspect, some whose source I no longer remember.
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Date: 2007-08-14 04:44 pm (UTC)On the efficiency and effectiveness of patriarchies: I've only read reviews of Jared Diamond's Collapse but I wonder if there might be some resonances with that in the way ACH attributes the decline of the Condor in part to their misuse of resources...
I wouldn't begin to know how to judge the issue of cultural appropriation. Do you have any links to hand to discussions of ACH in this context? (Not wanting you to 'do my homework', of course! - I just wondered if you knew something off the top of your head which was worth looking at.)
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Date: 2007-08-14 11:35 pm (UTC)Re: cultural appropriation, the essay that first brought it up for me was an essay in Foundation by Elyce Rae Helford, which I don't think is available online. I'll find the reference, maybe a couple of others too, and get back to you.
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Date: 2007-08-16 10:59 am (UTC)Thank you for the Elyce Rae Helford reference - I'm fairly certain the uni library here carries Foundation. Much appreciated.
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Date: 2007-08-16 02:31 pm (UTC)Helford, Elyce Rae. “Going ‘Native’: Le Guin, Misha, and the Politics of Speculative Literature.” Foundation: The International Review of Science Fiction, no. 71 (autumn 1997): 77-88.
I've seen similar concerns raised elsewhere about the novel, too. As I said, I am on the fence about this; the small amount of reading I've done in Native Studies isn't enough education to tell quite how problematic Le Guin's very thoughtful rewriting of culture is.
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Date: 2007-08-15 01:09 am (UTC)My first thought is, how fortunate you were. I did not read it at 13 because it had not been published yet. Like Altariel's, my book at that age was The Lord of the Rings.
I don't know if it would have had anything like the same effect if I had read it as an adult and not as a blank slate
So what I can say, having read ACH as an adult already thoroughly familiar with all of UKL's work to that point, is that hardly ever has a new work, by an author I already loved, struck me with such immediate force. (Usually the work already known wins my affection by familiarity, and the new work has to grow on me, but not this time.) "This is her masterpiece," I said, and I still think that might be true.
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Date: 2007-08-15 07:46 am (UTC)Yes, this was my reaction too (also coming from a background of familiarity with a fair amount of UKL's work).
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Date: 2007-08-14 01:53 pm (UTC)Have you ever read Unquenchable Fire by Rachel Pollack? I recommend it.
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Date: 2007-08-14 05:31 pm (UTC)Pollack's chiefly known for writing non-fictional books about Tarot; she's done three works of fiction that I know of: Unquenchable Fire, Temporary Agency and Alqua Dreams. Temporary Agency is the same setting as Unquenchable Fire, but is somewhat lighter reading; I have read Alqua Dreams but for some reason it didn't "take" and I recall very little about it.
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Date: 2007-08-14 07:54 pm (UTC)On books that don't "take", The Farthest Shore was a book which I read several times and could barely remember what happened in it - and then, bam. Suddenly it made sense.
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Date: 2007-08-14 08:29 pm (UTC)I think you posted somewhere recently about the significance of religious imagery in what you've been reading and watching recently, and Unquenchable Fire would fit well with that. And she's added a lot of background story within the story, that tells you about the alternative-world-to-now that she's created.
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Date: 2007-08-14 08:25 pm (UTC)I hadn't heard of Alqua Dreams so thank you for mentioning it. I love her other novels, so I'm delighted to know there's another one waiting for me to read.
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Date: 2007-08-14 06:07 pm (UTC)And whilst I'm on LeGuin recs, I'll throw in The Telling and The Birthday of the World, plus an early book of hers for "young adults" that seems remarkably little known but which is possibly my favourite of all her work: Threshold, alternative title The Beginning Place.
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Date: 2007-08-14 08:36 pm (UTC)It's a long time since I've read Always Coming Home, but I loved it at the time. I need to go back and re-read it.
one day we shall have our commonwealth by the sea, where we shall gather to talk about books and cook locally-grown produce and evolve effective consensus-based decision-making processes.
I definitely want to re-read this in light of your comments about utopia/dystopia and how they're used.
Cooking and books are the best way to save the world. Particularly from royalist alien werewolves.
But then I like the end of Tehanu too (reviewer doesn't)
Me too. Silly reviewer.
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Date: 2007-08-20 07:43 pm (UTC)I remember Stone Telling, and liking her story, and her name, very much indeed. There's a bit in one of the Chalet School books, where one of the girls gets hold of a book on names, and another one is disappointed to learn that her name means "stone maiden", which I remember thinking was a brilliant meaning to have for a name, and much better than one derived from false etymology, as the commonly given meaning for my name is.
And there's a bit I picked out when
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Date: 2007-08-15 01:19 am (UTC)This has been a blind spot for many of ACH's critics. The book is not a utopia, if by that you mean, "a blueprint for an ideal civilization." The Kesh are materially poor, they have hostile neighbors, they quarrel among themselves (see "The Third Child's Story", one of the most bitter things I've ever read), they suffer from crippling genetic disease and an appalling environmental destruction, and so on.
What they are doing is finding a way to live a good life in the circumstances in which they find themselves.
Of course Yee is correct that a soulless Roman legion would make short work of the Kesh, and if it did there'd be no story. But the point is that they're not facing a Roman legion. The Condor are a different type of masculinist, and Stone Telling's father a miliary man of rare sensitivity (not unknown, and others of his kind can be found in Le Guin's fiction - see Voices and Four Ways to Forgiveness).
Someone pointed out to Gandhi that his non-violent resistance wouldn't have worked against the Nazis. He knew that; but his target wasn't the Nazis. His method of protest was designed to work against a people with a conscience.
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Date: 2007-08-16 02:51 pm (UTC)I think I'd be content to describe ACH as a utopia. It certainly has several of the markers of a utopian text: the 'mirroring' that I mentioned in my original post, the visitor from outside to whom aspects of the society are explained, descriptions of social organization, and so on. 'Utopia' often contains ambiguity, it needn't be wholly idealized.
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Date: 2007-08-16 06:29 pm (UTC)But look at ACH: she issues the same warning, but it's hidden in the book (see "Pandora Addresses the Reader with Agitation" and "Pandora Converses with the Archivist"), but people ignore that, and criticize the book for failing to do something it's not intended to do, to wit: depict an ideal society.
That's why the problem is with the word "utopia."